Germany differentiates between federal, state, and municipal roads and highways. Many greetings from Gruenstadt in Palatinate, Germany, Dirk But there are many rules and regulations to observe. Frankfurt … In America, it rarely happens. I think we did read different articles. Newsletter: Why so many roads still lead to Russia Russian President Vladimir Putin and President Trump meet at the G-20 Summit in Hamburg, Germany, in 2017. If they won't talk to the public I can only assume they don;t trust the public and if the don't trust us then why should we trust them. I wonder why MDOT doesn't talk aobut these issue with the public. To accommodate higher speed traffic, Autobahn road surfaces are constructed with multiple layers of concrete. The Michigan Department of Transportation decided to find out. “In Metro Detroit, we have this very weak clay,” Bandara said, like toothpaste that never completely dries. The question comes up often: Why are the roads in other countries – say, Germany – so much better than those in Michigan? There has been talk of implementing tolls on the Autobahn for some cars, but it hasn't happened just yet. Driving throughout Germany is a wonderful experience, in large part because of the excellent roads and the scenic routes they transport you over. Why do we hear about formal plans to address the roads issues? All rights reserved. It’s too soon to say whether those changes will substantially improve the lifespan of Michigan’s highways, but Bandara is optimistic. On the Autobahn, like most roads in America, the left lane is strictly the passing lane; for everything else you must keep right. Bridge Michigan. Not only does Europe get a bunch of insanely cool cars that America doesn't, it also has some of the best roads in the world. kill about 1,700 people every year and leave around 500,000 people injured. Also unmentioned was the allowed weight difference between MI and Germany. Mid-Michigan is a mix of sand and clay. Bandara is working on a research project for MDOT, using recycled materials, such as fly ash, a byproduct of burned coal, to stabilize the clay. Drivers in Germany pay more than $8 for a gallon of gasoline, much of it due to fuel taxes for road maintenance that are about 18 times higher than in the U.S. Germany and Austria are blank spots on the Street View map of Europe. The roadway connecting I-75 to the new international bridge in Detroit also is being built in that style, said Bandara, formerly a civil engineer with MDOT. Many other North Carolina counties, especially those in isolated rural areas of the mountains and coast, did not have the necessary resources to improve their roads and bridges. So you put two an two together and you end up with a lot of invidiual mills IE: Patrick Mill became Patrick Mill Road because it led to the mill. Rich, I find that humorous and sad at the same time. They lay down a 10-13" thick base layer of concrete over which they add another thin 3" veneer layer on top of the first layer once its fully set. The number of deaths on German roads last year fell to 3,214, but there were 2.6 million accidents. Our year-end fundraising campaign is in full swing. Next time you are driving on a concrete road you might see a black strip lying next to an expansion joint or sticking up from the joint next to the curb. Rural roads, except for motorways or other designated fast roads, have a speed limit of 100 km/h (62 mph), which is routinely reduced to 70 km/h (43 mph) or 80 km/h (50 mph) where the road approaches a junction with a significant side-road. More tax cuts for the rich and corporations should help. Tree-lined scenic routes, such as the German Avenue Road, often have 70 km/h (43 mph) limits. This isn't just great because you don't have to shell out cash, but because it means no intermittent stops along the way. The trucks over there don't seem to be smaller or weight less than our trucks. We currently have revenue about $300 million lower than we had just 6 years ago. ? Dear Reader: We value your thoughts and criticism on the articles, but insist on civility. And that's all that presently comes to mind. Everything that was said in the story made sense to me. They were the key to Rome’s military might. Thus is born a pothole. A previous employer of mine would expect demonstrate results deteermining what works or doesn't work and why, no 'hopefully'. In 2015, the National Transportation Safety Board reported that rear-end collisions kill about 1,700 people every year and leave around 500,000 people injured. Sealing the expansion joint with a closed cell polymer can prevent water from infiltrating the expansion joint thus preventing potholes. After 15 years they analyze the long term convicts & may find that he's/she's changed for the better, so that earlier release is possible. Federal highways consist of the long-distance interstate highways (Autobahnen), major divided four-lane highways that connect to the interstate system, and some thoroughfares through local communities. Roads are so deeply carved into our landscape, so much a part of the scenery, that it’s hard to imagine North Carolina — let alone America — without them. It's just a far better system! Subscribe to the Bridge Michigan RSS feed. Whitmer extends Michigan indoor dining ban, allows other businesses to reopen, Opinion | Trophy hunting threat to Michigan wolves violates Indigenous, public values, See where Michigan is shipping coronavirus vaccine, who is getting it, Michigan health officials wrestling with who will get COVID vaccine next, Your support is valued now more than ever. The infrastructure in Europe’s largest economy … I have never seen anyone getting fined though. The German roads are fantastic (Italy and France are pretty good too). Free shipping for many … That would be a good target in the immediate future, along with a sustained increase to a REASONABLE total investment. These are eight reasons why Germany's Autobahn highway system is so amazing. This article overlooks one key advantage of the German road building method. Since the European section cost more than twice as much, MDOT officials doubt it’s worth building Michigan’s roads in that style. Even the types of truck suspensions allowed do make a difference in road wear. And much safer. “We’re always finding tweaks to build the roads better.”. The view of the Detroiit News; it will cost too much... so let's have miserable roads. Criticizing comments or ideas is welcome, but Bridge won’t tolerate comments that are false or defamatory or that demean, personally attack, spread hate or harmful stereotypes. The question comes up often: Why are the roads in other countries – say, Germany – so much better than those in Michigan? Most other highways and roads belong to the states, except for the road systems of major municipalities, for which these municipalities are responsible. 1. Opinion | What can reconcile our painful political differences? The main difference between the two countries is that in Germany, motorists actually respect this rule. $8/gallon is only slightly above the true cost of maintaining and building roads. If you want to drive in Germany you need to be dedicated, which makes for better drivers. Munich. It was also a railroad hub. Please support our work. These inspections help limit the number of potentially dangerous cars that endanger their own occupants and other motorists. Updated - February 2016. Journalism matters. My peers would not even wasted another glance in my direct if we were trying to work on such a consequencial and costly problem. Within the past decade, MDOT began rebuilding roads on a base of crushed stones and sand over pipes that allow water to drain away, said Nishantha Bandara, a civil engineering professor at Lawrence Technological University. I know it sounds too simple but there are concrete roads in Michigan that are sealed and don't have potholes. Our problem is that the trucking industry and its supporters have done all they can to destroy the best way to move freight - railways - meaning hugely heavy trucks are trundling down our roads, destroying them by the day. Please help us in our fight to re-open and keep open roads that are already established in our national forests. I will be up front I am losing confidence in those who spend our money on roads when they aren't will to talk about such factors and their action/decisions compare to others with similar problems. If you're not passing anyone and you're just traveling, you have to move your car over to the right. There are so many names like mill and ferry in Atlanta because it was a big farming/agricultural center in the South. And for the University-non-qualifiers, there are good trade schools, plus they have a fantastic apprentice program (Siemens, et al.). Ring roads sometimes have suffix 'R' (e.g. An overall decrease in the number of road … Where is the Truth Squad on this issue? Germany has far fewer motor vehicle-related fatalities (per 100,000 people) than the US, the National Transportation Safety Board reported. The country's most important waterway is the river Rhine. dlb is going in the right direction..compare climates and approximate geology/soils, etc...Ontario, Wisconsin and Minnesota strike me as good comps..haven't been in Ontario for a while, but recently drove to Minneapolis through northern Michigan and Wisconsin...my thoughts were that our best roads would only be above average there...construction quality is important, as are things like weight limits, # of axles weight is spread over...I once had an MDOT engineer tell me that one place we ranked badly was "crack sealing" before tiny cracks let water in to freeze and become bigger cracks. If you're going to drive crazy fast, don't forget to respect the Autobahn for the amazing 7,500 mile highway system that it is. Because Germans pay such close attention to this rule, traffic is able to flow much more freely on their highways. Michigan’s climate and its different soils make road building more of a challenge than in most other states, Bandara said. Instead we get 'hopefully'. Germans emphasize rehabilitation & "normalization", not punishment, as in the U.S. Sign up for a daily selection of our best stories — based on your reading preferences. 2021 Ford F-150 Adds Tremor Off-Road Package. Facts matter. I call them pothole worms; the mechanical seal that is inserted into the expansion joint. In the Upper Peninsula, it is rock and swampland. There is equipment that can scrape up that top layer, grind it up, mix it with water and fresh Portland cement and pour it back out in one continuous process. How about the roads in Finland, Sweden, etc. As we search for new ways to use plastic and recycle it, using it in roads provides literally miles and miles of possibilities. © Don't rely on what you read or hear when the information is garnered from those with a dog in the fight! Though it's difficult to connect tailgating directly to the cause of rear-end collisions, when you tailgate, you have less time to react to abrupt situations that could happen in front of you. Drivers must receive basic first-aid training, and on top of that, you still have an incredibly difficult multiple choice exam and the road test. I would like to see an independent study compare Michigan's road-building with Germany's road-building. This is where the cost savings comes in for the tax payers. It noted, however, that the European section was showing signs of wear, with some of the concrete surface “delaminating,” or separating, possibly due to water freezing and expanding, the same destructive cycle that plagues Michigan’s roads. After studying highway designs in Germany and Austria, MDOT and the Federal Highway Administration in 1993 built a one-mile section of northbound I-75 in Detroit using the more-costly European specifications. If you want good roads, you need to reduce truck max weights to the federal 80,000 pound limit, and prohibit the walking beam type suspension so often used on dump trucks and cement mixers. Scenic routes lead you through some of the best areas of Germany including the Black Forest and the "Castle Road" where you will travel back in time on a route lined with more than 70 castles and palaces. They have a public transportation system that works (including high speed trains); free university education for those who qualify; education is, of course, very important. They pour their roads in two steps. I've wondered about the "Michigan vs. Germany" road debate for many years, and now I have a better understanding of the differences. I lived/worked in Germany (BTW, it's a social democracy) for almost 30 years, &, looking back, I'm greatly impressed with the Germans! Motorways had the smallest length, with a … I don't know if this policy is still in existence today but it is an incentive to build better quality roads which will last. Why not compare to our neighbor to the east, Ontario. By clicking ‘Sign up’, you agree to receive marketing emails from Business Insider All we seem to get from MDOT is asking for money to do the same things again and again. In the Detroit area, parts of the Lodge Freeway and Southfield Freeway, as well as a section of I-96 in Macomb County, have been built to the new standard. That's not to say the decision to "cheap out" isn't a bad one, but at least we know a (small) level of innovation is making its way here. These multi axle trucks at 138,000 pounds do tear up the roads. And if you do see them, you likely don't have much to worry about. There aren't too many police on German roads, yes, but if caught tailgating you're in for a hefty fine. Speed limits and recommendations: There is an advisory speed limit of 130 Km/h and 80 Km/h for HGVs, coaches, trucks and vehicles with trailers attached. as well as other partner offers and accept our. And it is unlikely Michigan’s taxpayers would be willing to bear the additional cost. Nobody dies for lack of health insurance, as here. The days when everything in the U.S. was better than anything in any other country are long gone. Just sayin' what? Germany maintains a country-wide standard, whereas US inspections are handled on a state-by-state basis. No need to replace the entire road bed like MDOT likes to do in Michigan. From the European experiment, “we’ve learned, we’ve reviewed and we’ve adjusted,” Steudle said. Constructed from 312 BCE and covering 196 km (132 Roman miles), it linked Rome to Capua in as straight a line as possible and wa… Better take advantage while you can! The fine fot not doing so and impeding a faster car is 80 € and one point. But there are plenty of other regulations you should be aware of. But rebuilding Michigan’s roads to the new standards would take many decades, since it is cheaper for MDOT to maintain its roads than replace them. All of this can take up to six months to finish up, if it's all done successfully, and it could cost over $2000. When it freezes, the ice expands, causing the pavement to rise. The articles on road funding and condition just prove the fact that if you tell a lie loud enough and often enough it somehow becomes fact. We have heard here in the article and comments ifdentifcation of several elements that people see as factors in how roads survive. Michigan's nonpartisan, nonprofit news source. Lines and paragraphs break automatically. Increasing that amount by 1.2 to 1.6 billion per year would completely gridlock the transportation system for the foreseeable future. If you want to implement a hidden tax increase on yourselves just continue repeating what you've heard about warranties and gross vehicle weights. For comparison, it built a stretch south of that in the usual Michigan style. However, it is likely that tolls will be introduced at some point in the future to fall in line with other European countries. See why South Carolina, Louisiana and Hawaii top the list. Driving in Germany. And they don't go the "el cheapo" route, as is our wont, (i.e., according to the info above). There are unrestricted speed sections of the Autobahn, as well as areas with speed limits. If you remain a typical, more laid-back American driver, you could have problems. And even if it was, what does that matter? Save up to 80% by choosing the eTextbook option for ISBN: 9780306821714, 0306821710. This place is the best to start your road trip in since this is where you’ll likely land if you fly going to Germany. Isn't Germany a socialist country? In other words, we want to be a 3rd world country and have their roads. Germans want quality, not junk! “We can’t afford to build them that way,” MDOT Director Kirk Steudle said. In a typical winter (and this last one was anything but typical), the lakes are a moderating influence, causing several freeze and thaw cycles, more than in any of the other Great Lakes states, climatologists and highway engineers say. Is that a way of making a comment while not actually contributing anything? Throughout this wild year, the Bridge Michigan team has worked hard to bring you data-driven, fact-based reporting about the issues that matter most to our state. The concrete rested on a deep base of a crushed limestone, rather than the sand usually used in Michigan roads. Trust matters. The first highway system to have been built, the extensive German Autobahn network famously has no general speed limit for light vehicles. So an MDOT study says it doesn't make any difference whether we build Michigan's roads the way we do or build them the way Germany does? They stay to the right and travel slower than car traffic. Inspections in some states in America are a complete joke compared to what German cars go through. Driving in Germany can be a delight: the scenery is beautiful and the roads are well maintained. The first and most famous great Roman road was the Via Appia (or Appian Way). Michigan’s highway engineers are incorporating some of the most cost-effective features of that design as they rebuild sections of state highways, Steudle said. A leading-edge research firm focused on digital transformation. The gift that gives all year long. In fact, if they had better roads, maybe we are barking up the wrong governmental model. There are many other roads that have been or will be closed. 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